“If
youth is wasted on the young, then what do the elder dispose of? Is it hope, optimism, change or
palpability? Or are there some who view
age as expertise, and see tomorrow as a brighter day than the one before?”
Similar to almost every aspect, choice and
decision we make in life, contemplating intimate involvement with an older
woman comes with advantages and disadvantages.
Sometimes it isn’t even contemplation, as the interaction and
commencement of the relationship fell naturally into place. One moment two people were just enjoying the
single life, and the next moment they were both wondering why it had taken so
long to collide into each other’s heart.
Of course this is the happy beginning, but real life doesn’t always have
a happy ending.
There are various ways a man can become
involved with an older woman. It may
have been simple, instant attraction on both parts, and one another’s age was
merely a number. It could be a conscious
decision on either part - the woman perhaps entered a stage in her life when
she needed reassurance of her beauty, and consequently she was motivated by her
ego elevation requirement to date a younger guy. His conscious thought could have been born
out of his tiredness of immaturity, drama and high maintenance from previous
younger girlfriends. Then there are the
subconscious evaluations they made, like her realizing she could dictate a
younger, naïve and even desperate man, whilst he realized his once youthful
appearance had deserted him, and an older women is his current benchmark
attainability. No matter how it happens,
they both ended up in the same place.
The main question is - can it work?
It is important to clarify the parameters of
a younger man and older woman relationship.
The easy scenario is one typical of a 30 year old man with a forty year
old woman, or a 25 year old man meeting a woman ten years his senior. However, imagine if a man in his late 20s had
become familiar with dating younger women in their late teens or early 20s, and
then he meets a woman only a couple of years older than him. Whilst the age gap is not at all significant,
his mental switch will need to be one of enormity. In this case, to him it would seem like being
with an older woman. In fundamental
terms, whilst age as a number isn’t irrelevant, it becomes less relevant. It basically is dependent on the people
involved, and their relative past experiences prior to the first encounter.
Advantage 1: Her maturity level
Whilst there are some older women who
still naturally act, or choose to act, in a manner of a girl ten years younger
than her defined age, generally speaking she will be at a mature mental
level. If a younger man has been
accustomed to past relationships with younger women, or even women his own age,
the likelihood is they will have come with the territory of this stage of life:
this being immaturity, self-obsession, self-consciousness and over-emphasized
drama that is often created to keep her fire burning. This can be exhausting, and an experience
free of these characteristic deficiencies will appear to be like a breath of
fresh air. For a while, at least, an
enjoyable life is there for the taking.
Advantage 2: Conversation
In a follow on from the above,
conversations with younger girlfriends that were highly dominated by derogatory
comments towards others, her life and reality televisions programmes, have now
been replaced with higher intellectual and intelligent content. For once, everything isn’t about a man’s
female partner, and if you’ve had a bad day at work, or you have an issue in your
private life, it is refreshing to sit next to someone with a genuine,
constructive and objective opinion, without compromising the comprehension of
what you are going through. For the
first time in your life, a relationship can seem like “us” and not “her”.
Advantage 3: Her sexual experience
Age may result in a little less energy,
but as a reward it brings knowledge and experience. Nothing spells this out more clearly than the
older women in the bedroom. Where your
previous more physically attractive girlfriend was basked in naked self
consciousness, with her lying back for you to choreograph all the moves, this
older woman can teach you new skills, not to mention new satisfactions. She may not perform this every night, but at
a slightly older age yourself, you appreciate the perennial phrase of “quality
over quantity” like you never did before.
Advantage 4: Settled and financially
secure
Depending on her situation, the financial
stability and security may not always be of a positive nature, but by enlarge
she will at least have her house in order in these terms. From my experiences, older women are far more
inclined to contribute in financial terms, a habit alien to many younger, and
thus receptive natured women. In a
gender dynamic comparison, it is almost the same as an average looking beta
male dating a beautiful girlfriend. As
he feels privileged to be in her company, he contributes the lion’s share of
any expenses. Although not as extreme,
an older woman, whilst not revealing this fact, will acknowledge her fortunate
roll of the dice in securing a younger man.
Consequently, the result is that she pays her way during those visits to
cinemas, restaurants or weekends away.
Advantage 5: Less self-conscious
Sure, you still would like her to maximize
her physical potential, but gone are the days of waiting for the younger
girlfriend looking in the mirror for an hour, looking at her phone to see who
has messaged her, and asking you every five minutes if her backside looks
bigger than the day before. An older
woman rarely has this kind of disposable time to mess around, and in any case,
she values other aspects of her life as much as her appearance. It all simply forms a more relaxed
environment, and this is free from the everyday high maintenance a younger
woman, if not conducted in a firm mannered male process, will consistently
deliver.
Disadvantage 1: Always thinking you could
do better
Again, this attitude depends on the
situation. For example, if the younger
man is grotesque and the older woman is relatively attractive, it would take a
brave guy to have this higher sexual market value mindset. Nevertheless, if he is a decent looking man,
and he has fresh memories of younger female liaisons, it is only human to carry
out thoughts of believing he could do better than this woman he wakes up
with. When this thought process arrives,
usually after the honeymoon period, it is no coincidence young men in these
situations return to the male nights out.
Once in view of the bevy of beautiful girls, temptations will always be
just a dance away.
Disadvantage 2: More insecure
Although an older woman is less
self-conscious, many women from an older age bracket can progressively become
more insecure with many things in their lives.
A good analogy would be to compare this to a young sports star coming
into the team. They have no fear because of their youth. Their senior team mate, whilst more
experienced, has memories of disappointments, mistakes and
vulnerabilities. Women are similar as so
far they can start to question their worth as they get older. As she doubts herself, she feels lower value
than the average younger man she walks side by side with. When this occurs, it can go one of two
ways. She either becomes further
insecure and irritable that her apparent confidence is dwindling, or she
becomes vainly aggressive and attempts to de-value her man to bring him down to
her level. In either case, the guy is
usually left in a frustrated way, further promoting his compulsions to that of
younger women.
Disadvantage 3: Sexual arousal
So she knows more in bed than her younger
counterparts, but it would be rare for a man, unless he is lying, to actually
be naturally aroused more by an older woman than one of many years
younger. It is only human nature running
its course, and no different to a female cougar’s differing sexual threshold –
this being variable arousal between a young hunk and her rich, but far older,
husband. Though the numbers are closer than
previous generations, men are still more likely to pursue alternative sexual
pleasures when faced with boredom from their partners. If the two of them can maintain the bedroom
fire burning, or he is a male of unbelievable high sex drive, then this outcome
can be prevented.
Disadvantage 4: Past baggage
The older the woman, the more likely her
train will arrive at the station with some magnitude of emotional baggage. This could be a psychologically distressed
ex-husband, or she could possess children from previous relationships. Whilst many people will have, or know of,
close friends who appear happy with their girlfriends with kids from the ghost
of the past, it would take an ideal scenario for it not to possess some level
of complexity. A relationship between a
man and woman brings about enough obstacles at the best of times, so throw in
other items and it can only be harder to the task. That said, a man will know about these
barriers at an early stage, therefore he would be a foolish person to one day
wake up all surprised that her past baggage is what brought it to an end.
A child from a previous relationship can
limit a woman’s dating success significantly.
This decisive deficit can be bridged to some extent as she bears to the
right side of high scale physical attractiveness, but the truth cannot be
hidden that this predicament will repel the majority of men. The higher calibre the man, the more likely
this is to antagonize him. On the other
hand, a man in the same position could actually benefit in the dating world,
especially if he has an array of other sexual market metrics to assist
him. At worst, the decline on his
fortune in attracting women will be of absolute negligence.
Disadvantage 5: In a hurry to commit
This is often when a man meets a woman in
her late 20s or early 30s, and she hasn’t been previously married or hasn’t yet
birthed children. Her friends have
settled down, they appear happy, and they ridicule her single life. Very few women take comfort in being the last
apple hanging from the branch. It makes
them feel insignificant to life and lacking behind their peers. It is always worth remembering that women, in
general, place far more focus on their perceived external validation to the
outside world than men. One of the
primary concerns relating to this conundrum is in not belonging to a man. In this case, the younger guy needs to be
aware that she will not hang around if she scents a lack of commitment on his
agenda. If she tells him this up front,
the man has to make the decision based on happiness for all parties. However, he should be wary of the minority of
women who have their own plan and agenda, and two months after the first date
they could be visiting the ultrasound unit.
I know of a few men who have become
involved with the older woman in their life, and they have never looked back
due to the happiness it brought. Others
haven’t been so fortunate, and an inevitable parting of the ways was the
outcome. It is for some, and it isn’t
for others.
Some of the most physically attractive
women, over and above any other age bracket, belong to those in their late 20s. On very isolated occasions, this can also
stretch to their early 30s. With the
added benefit of a higher sexual market value - in particular the way they have
usually developed further persona and intelligence - these women really are
from a high standard. If a man meets one
of these types then he should grab it with both hands, but it is pertinent to
note these women are extremely rare.
They are even harder to find than handsome men with high sexual market
value and predominant alpha traits.
These high calibre older women will
usually seek out high status men who are not as good looking as they are. The 15% rule will be typical – her being 15%
more visually impressive than him. However,
there are isolated occasions a younger, but low status, good looking man may be
deemed appealing to these women. The
female mind requires ego inflations from various aspects of life, and if she
can foresee her sexual obsolescence approaching, yet she needs reassurance to
confirm denial of this concern, a likely option is to spend intimate time with
a younger handsome guy.
Whilst fun in the short term, these
dynamics seldom work out over a longer spell, as the sexual market eventually
proceeds with its logical course of action.
As every day passes by, each party slowly returns to their habitual
agenda. The young man’s eyes will start
to stray towards the many hot women from his own age range (or younger), as men
generally place maximum emphasis on female youth and beauty within their
feasible grasp. The older attractive
woman in this situation has her once positive emotions replaced by frustrated
thoughts of his immaturity and lack of resource, and she returns to the natural
process of hypergamy considerations – the process most women are accustomed to
in finding men of higher status class, and as a usual consequence, those who
are less physically attractive.
It is my firm belief that a younger woman
dating an older man suits an alpha male type.
Likewise, an older woman by and large is an ideal match for a younger
beta male. You need only to analyze the
likely day to day interaction - he will have more leeway from her, in spite of
some of his annoying beta mannerisms.
This is only true because of her limited options in the sexual market in
comparison to the majority of her younger female counterparts with similar
metrics. She will value and treasure his
positive beta traits, like his caring, considerate and genuinely warm hearted
ways, more than a younger woman would do so.
Basically, a beta male’s negative traits will be tolerated by an older
woman and his positive traits will be appreciated more than they would be by
women at the early stages of their dating lives. What an older woman needs holds far more
weight than the thoughts of the kind of man she would desire. If she had less at stake, she could
ultimately please herself that little bit more.
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ReplyDeleteHello Vi Nay, I really enjoy your blog. It's a unique departure from the red pill truisms that get repeated over and over again. This article struck a chord. I'm currently dating an older woman of 38 while i'm a young man of 27, a veritable poster child for the hypothetical situation you dismissed! Allow me to explain: See she looks about 30, never married, no kids, but a hottie in my eyes (though with a fair share of baggage and a wide sexual history). I'm quite handsome, in excellent shape, entering a career field that will lead to panty wetting prowess in about 5 years (airline pilot); the low status handsome man you alluded to i suspect.
ReplyDeleteI have a certain reluctance to take things further with her because of many of the aforementioned reasons, like the growing SMV disparity, and yet, on a instinctual level i'm very attracted to her. I'm having trouble determining whether this is me living a fantasy or something with real potential as she is also in aviation and has a thirst for travel. We have something powerful i haven't experienced with other women (my age) and kept it alive long distance for half a year now. How should i approach this predicament ?, to grow beyond my beta tendencies while not throwing out something that may in fact be worthwhile?
VitaminG,
DeleteFirst of all, the touched on “baggage” you mention should be turned into a positive. In terms of her sexual history, providing she hasn’t been a perennial slut then I would view this as a benefit. She’ll know things that younger women will not be experienced to, and she should be very giving due to her appreciation of your youth and value. Only low confidence and jealous men become anxious of women with baggage, and when it does evolve into something that isn’t worth the hassle, they simply move on - in their/your case, to something younger.
The first problem with what you say is that she looks 30. This is great in respect to her chronological age, however despite her being hot in your eyes, a 30 year old looking woman isn’t a 21 year old woman. All else equal, in my opinion you should be striking for a woman of 21 to 23.
The second issue is that women have a first phase sudden physical ageing process that picks up speed from a certain point. I have to be honest, and I’ve never known of a woman (outside of fame) at 38 who looks 30, but I’ll take your word that she is one of the lucky few. Nevertheless, when this time does come (and I expect it to arrive very soon with her), you will see the defects on an almost weekly basis. I don’t take any joy out of sounding shallow, but harsh words at this stage can save heartache and financial implications down the line.
I can understand where you’re coming from. A good friend of mine is 28 years old, 6ft 3”, above average facially looking, in slim but toned shape, decent income, and fairly well known in the local city due to his sports status. When I’ve been out with him on nights out, it is so pronounced how he only talks to women who are less physically attractive than his level (his overall looks level is 7.25/10, 7.5/10 if I’m being kind). Just from the brief description of yourself, I sense similarities between the two of you. He could definitely bag himself a top end cute woman or low end hot woman. Instead, he is with a 42 year old woman with 2 kids from a previous relationship. With my generous hat on she looks 3 to 4 years younger than her birth date, but she is just a run of the mill looking woman as you would expect for someone of her age. He is reluctant to talk about the visuals (when I prompt him about younger women), and instead he emphasizes her chilled demeanour, great personality and easy going attitude. This is fine, and as a relatively personable chap myself, I know how relaxed and enjoyable life can become with a woman of this kind.
But non-visual positive attributes belonging to a woman can only take her so far. As your status and income grows, and if you stay in good shape and preserve your looks, make no mistake that if you can also enhance your attitude and confidence, the range of women (younger women) at your disposal will increase by many folds. Sure, some will be hot but dense bimbos, but others will be girlfriend material too. In this same timeframe, you will resent your now 43 year old female partner in holding you back. This may or may not be concurrent to cheating on her, or harbouring ambitions to do so.
DeleteAs I subscribed to in the post, the younger man-older woman dynamic does have a place and purpose in the sexual market, but logic suggests it should only be when a man is significantly uglier than the woman, in conjunction or isolation to him possessing hardly any other male desirable offerings that more wanted women (hotter and younger women) can demand. A strong example of this is with men attaining very low confidence. Most real life observations within these dynamics would back this logic up.
All in all, this won’t end happily if you stay with her. I’m not saying finish with her right away, as if she does sexually excite you more than any other woman around – and I find it difficult to believe she does – and if she is way more enjoyable to be with from a companion perspective in comparison to women your age, you shouldn’t cut your nose to spike your face.
But beware of it venturing too far into the longer term, as I can almost guarantee that you will not desire to be with her one day ahead. Also, beware of her potential manipulations. I may be speaking out of turn about her, but one too many friends of mine have been given the “you’re going to be a daddy” line when their girlfriends know they are on to a good thing.
You dig?
With regards to "the younger man-older woman dynamic does have a place and purpose in the sexual market"
DeleteI have heard there is a Swiss Proverb:
"You learn how to cook on old pans"
and I believe it is one of those dual-meaning proverbs, like "old hen makes good broth"
I also see it this way - she is hoping you fall in love with her and want to impregnate her by giving you good sex.
I Dig. My gut is saying the same thing. She's not exactly asking for commitment and yet she is offering her monogamy. She's says i'm the 'total package' .As much as my beta aspect wants to embrace this offer and match it (out of fear no one else can compare (in bed)) , I'm just not thinking clearly. I appreciate the advice, because so many of my friends are clueless in these matters. I suppose i need a stronger frame in order to compartmentalize her as a source of enjoyment and growth during this phase in my life without becoming overly attached to the notion of us in an LTR because of the inevitable expiration date.
ReplyDeleteYou've got to admit, a well kept later 30's year old who was fine in her 20's has more appeal than a 22 yo without the attractive face and with an average or less body, the kind of women I feel are for the taking. Especially if the older one offers her sexuality without restraint.
You've mentioned emotional psychology numerous times on this website and it seems to be a dominant theme. Do you have any recommended reading on this topic that is red pill slanted? I do have a desire to understand women better from this level because I'm naturally a very sensitive man myself and need to have emotional leverage in a relationship when i go for the hotter women, instead of succumbing to neediness and self-qualification out of habit. I sometimes can't help but act in this manner; though i'm physically impressive at 6'0" and with a good build and leaness, and a face of maybe 7, I've simply never had the attitude that women like that are looking for men like me, who are sensitive and in tune(I like to cook for example) and looking for a spiritual connection. I've had trouble integrating this aspect of my personality into the frame of my ambition and physicality and fashion and sense of humor without drying up girls. I don't want to have to treat women badly in order to bed them, but it does work...
In response to your latter point of recommended reading, and without trying to toot my own horn, the best advice you will attain from emotional psychology - in relevance to women - is in the form of blogs like this one. Unless you are after general psychology literature to improve your confidence, attitude, body language, etc, there will be no on the market literature that is prudent to your needs. This is simply because the modern world is designed to cater for female egos and good feelings, and 99% of the time this consequently results in hiding the truth and reality. Why do you think novels and films are scripted this way...?
DeleteBesides, I'd like to think this blog so far has covered a wide range of topics for you to ascertain forward thinking, and it will continue to do so in the foreseeable future. I assume you have already, but if not, check out "The Rational Male" and "Chateau Heartiste" blogs. These are the only blogs I consistently read, and in my opinion they cover the real life sexual differentials/dynamics in a similar manner to "Women' choices: men's divorces".
Of course a well kept latter 30s woman has more appeal than an average 20s woman. This goes without saying. Always live for the present day, as the future is no guarantee. I should know. But I think you know my point is that you could (and should) be striving for someone younger than you.
Yes, hot women who can connect with a sensitive man's feelings are few and far between. They are simply not designed to be this way once they realize their hotness is their greatest asset. But many younger cute women (7/10 to 7.75/10 looking) are more prone to be good listeners, have connecting feelings and possess empathetic nature in their bones. Nevertheless, from a general perspective you will need to toughen up and be far more care-free in respect to female feelings. Believe me, nearly every woman puts herself first before anyone of anything else.
I can only advise based on what I have seen in so many couple over abundant years. The choice can only be made by you. What I do sense is, if you stay with this woman, you will be that all so common nice guy who thinks he can do better but is afraid to let her down.