tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post4045408625135960502..comments2024-03-16T15:29:13.544+01:00Comments on Women's choices: men's divorces : The long term dangers for men cohabiting with same aged womenVi Nayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-30513083337065681672014-07-22T23:51:58.227+02:002014-07-22T23:51:58.227+02:00For me personally, I would decline because I am in...For me personally, I would decline because I am in a serious <br />relationship and would never cheat on my mate.<br />But honestly, George Clooney is not my type and I have never found him remotely attractive. I suppose if I was a less genuine person and more of a golddigger or fame seeker, I would date him just for that. But I turned down modelling offers as a teen and don't care about money (I am pretty unambitious to tell the truth), so I would almost 100% certainly turn him down.<br /><br />Now, if you'd used Ryan Gosling as an example...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-33914228624885711852014-07-22T15:58:39.987+02:002014-07-22T15:58:39.987+02:00Ok, this will be my last question and comment rega...Ok, this will be my last question and comment regarding the subject. <br />So we have established the following with you: You’re grossed out by 40 year old men who look their chronological age or not much younger (which most men do). A vast amount of money (in local profile context) definitely does not overcome this disgust in your veins. If a 40 year old man looks 10 years younger (as per Enrique), and he is good looking, you are open to his advances despite the age gap. You appear, unlike most women, to place high priority on a man’s physical attractiveness (providing he isn’t too good looking, as you would be worried about him fornicating due to other options). Coming to think of it, wouldn’t Enrique be too good looking (anyway, that isn’t my main question)? You like hair on a man’s head! <br /><br />So my ultimate question is:<br />If George Clooney or a similar looking famous man (this time it actually is the famous man himself), who clearly looks 40 to 45, approaches you with ambitions to take it further, do you accept or decline? If you honestly answer “decline”, then I commend you. If you answer “accept”, what is the psychological-physical disconnection that makes you no longer see him or the situation as gross?<br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-66519286339359555012014-07-22T15:58:17.229+02:002014-07-22T15:58:17.229+02:00Marriage placed to one side (as marriage has no co...Marriage placed to one side (as marriage has no connection to love as the commenter at the top rightly points out), I am very much happy to grow old with the right woman and age naturally together. My point is that, all else equal, the happiest couples I see appear to be when the man and woman physically look a similar age. The brute reality is this will be, in pure median terms across a wide section, where the man is around 45 and the woman is 35 or 36. Of course it can go +/- on both gender sides depending on the blessed genes they attain, and granted, I take your point on the earlier deceased date of a man in this age gap dynamic being an issue. <br /><br />But yes, living for the present day trumps anything else. If that means a 28 year old woman with a 25 year old man, then so be it. If it is a 27 year old man with a 38 year old woman, then good for them. All I do is raise the possible longer term implications and challenges.<br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-5637469308578694072014-07-22T06:20:21.680+02:002014-07-22T06:20:21.680+02:00"If a guy who looked like Jude Law, David Bec..."If a guy who looked like Jude Law, David Beckham or Enrique Iglesias (note: they had no fame or wealth) were these men as you reference, would you have found it gross?" Jude Law was very handsome at 30, but at 40 had gone completely bald. So yes I would find it a bit gross. Enrique still looks good, though. David Beckham has a great body, but his face is too wrinkled and his voice is too high. So out of the 3, pretending they are just regular Joes in the club, I think 20-year-old me would have been responsive to Enrique's advances, but not the other two.<br /><br />I'm just being very honest, I have never actually met the "youthful looking 40 year old" or seen one outside of fame/Hollywood (James Marsden, Josh Holloway, Peter Facinelli). They might as well be unicorns. The 40-42yo men I know who have dated women in their 20's, and I have known a couple, both were considered unattractive. In the case of one woman, she dumped her bf for a guy her own age the minute she was able to find one (and he wasn't much better-looking than the 42-year-old she had been with I must say), and in the other case, she is a very dark-skinned black woman and unfortunately has low self-esteem (only speculating but I think that is part of the reason) & she doesn't think she can get a guy her own age to commit to her so she is settling, by her own quiet admission to me. I certainly don't see above-calibre older men dating women in their 20's."<br />As a ratio, how many 33 year old women are dating a 28 year old man, in comparison to how many 33 year old women are dating a 40 year old man?<br />I don't know about dating, but for marriage, we actually have stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#Statistics<br />11.6% of men are about 7 years older than their wives, vs. 3.3% of women being about 5 years older than their husbands. So you're absolutely right, it's definitely more common for the man to be a lot older, but this is primarily the result of remarriages/failed first marriages, and 53.6% of couples are within 3 years of each other's ages. That is a majority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-20619960756736925642014-07-20T21:44:42.126+02:002014-07-20T21:44:42.126+02:00I like the lottery winner analogy, and I concur, a...I like the lottery winner analogy, and I concur, although these high demands start well before their late 30s. This is why I try and advocate on this blog that men should never exert and give any more than necessary with women who are in their late 20s. Why pay the highest price for a stock that has an almost guarantee to lose rapid future value?<br /><br />You’re right about the fact women in their 20s (certainly early 20s) are easier to date than women in their 30s – due to the reasons you mention, amongst others – however it would be a touch misguiding to suggest (generally speaking, I’m not saying you are suggesting) that every woman in her early to mid 20s would date a man in his 40s. For this to happen, the man needs to have an array of offerings to bring to the table. Even if he is a younger looking 42 year old, this factor will often not be enough to ease the age gap discomfort in her mind. Much depends on the relative hotness of the woman and calibre of the man, but in general terms at least 50% of typical 25 year old women would turn the other way with a typical 42 year old man.<br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-38938291071590492092014-07-20T21:44:00.638+02:002014-07-20T21:44:00.638+02:00I can’t argue with that point. Yes, if there is o...I can’t argue with that point. Yes, if there is one, and there probably is only one feasible reason why a woman shouldn’t seek out even a young looking 40 year old man, it is for the point as you mention.<br /><br />But couples have got to reach that stage first. The whole directive to this post is that, on the basis a man meets a woman of similar age in his 20s, in conjunction to her not being many levels above him in physical attractiveness terms, as the years pass the danger is for him to appreciate her less and less as the years pass by. In a western world where there is more chance of a divorce forming from marriage than not, in addition to many more separated (but not divorced), looking that far ahead is perhaps not the most prudent thing to do. <br /><br />But yes, I do agree that if a woman is post 23 and she has a “forever” mentality, it would be best all round for her to stay away from a man who is a decade older.<br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-7499692919158671922014-07-20T21:42:48.568+02:002014-07-20T21:42:48.568+02:00I don’t doubt you were/are. You make a couple of ...I don’t doubt you were/are. You make a couple of decent points in the midst of the usual going astray and claiming things that I haven’t said. It’s ok though, I’ve spent a lifetime with girlfriends doing the same, so water off a duck’s back...<br /><br />You refrain to mention about how old the “rich” guys looked. All along within this subject, I’ve always stood by the fact that for a man to date a woman who is significant years younger (10 years+), he has to have looked after himself in order to look many, many years younger than his birth date. So in respect to your girly night, let me ask you a question. I know I’m stretching it by asking you to be honest and not answering with your ego, pride and agenda head first, but at least try. If a guy who looked like Jude Law, David Beckham or Enrique Iglesias (note: they had no fame or wealth) were these men as you reference, would you have found it gross?<br /><br />The second way you go off road are your words of:<br />“But don't be misleading and claim that your average atractive 27yo woman will pursue a relationship with a 40yo man. It's just not true.”<br /><br />I never have claimed this. The average 40 year old man is overweight, his eyes are baggy and wrinkly, he has saggy man breasts, his chin is of double rolls, he has a beer gut to back up his investment of many nights out, he is showing grey hair, and he has a mediocre repertoire of other qualities – personality, charisma, earnings, status, etc. The average 40 year old man will also have a couple of kids and probably be married. Never have I documented that your average 27 year old woman would pursue a relationship with THIS 40 year old man. What I do say is that this man as described could, and does, easily bag himself an average woman around 32 to 35 if he had to start over. So if you raise the bar and place a youthful looking 40 year old man (looking abundant years younger than his birth date) with other high end quality desirable metrics to exploit, this man could, and does, secure a woman of 27. With a man of this kind, the last thing the 27 year old woman needs to be concerned about is HIM being too old. She should spend more time about HER being a couple of years too old...<br /><br />As for your last point, well yes, we all know someone who knows someone of this and that, my dad’s bigger than your dad, etc..... It isn’t too difficult for a 33 year old woman to find, say, a 28 year old man (good male looking age, wink), because the vast majority of men are just your average run of the mill people. To them, an above average looking (hence cute) 33 year old woman is quite a catch. It’s about the quality of the man. But answer honestly once more (I really am taking liberties now). As a ratio, how many 33 year old women are dating a 28 year old man, in comparison to how many 33 year old women are dating a 40 year old man? I’d go 1:6 at the very least. It’s about general trends with necessary caveats to give people advice, not exceptions to the rule.<br /><br />You do seem like quite a smart woman, and your comments do entertain and challenge me. I like this in a woman. One thing I would suggest is for you to read and digest the whole post in its entirety, rather than cherry picking certain lines/paragraphs to shoot with your agenda and own life bubble. Your points will then come across with more fundamental credibility.<br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-37521317708785158402014-07-20T08:27:40.999+02:002014-07-20T08:27:40.999+02:00To be born an attractive woman is to be consigned ...To be born an attractive woman is to be consigned to have the farthest to fall. There are no truly hot 60 year old women.<br /><br />Being born a hot woman is like being born a tall, good looking and wealthy man, who slowly becomes short, ugly and poor over time. You start as Hugh Jackman and wind up as George Costanza, lol. So marry while you have some currency left to spend.<br /><br />And anonymous at 6:06 is correct. In my 40s, it is easier to date silly 20-somethings than it is to get commitment interest from aging 30-somethings.<br /><br />Because the 30-somethings have spent too long polishing their 463-point list of demands, and yet their value goes down with each passing year. This causes them to constantly be in catch-up mode, trying to snag the kind of guy they could have had last year.<br /><br />Trust me, formerly hot women in their late 30s are a million times harder to get with than hot women in their 20s. Because they begin to see their time and their looks slipping away, and they become stingy with both, like a lottery winner who once spent prodigiously, but is scrimping like mad to hand onto their last half-million.<br /><br />I have no problem letting women in their 30s think I am open to LTR or marriage, which I am, but I usually leave out the fact that it is with someone else, of course. Hey, if they don't ask, I don't tell.jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-43902743432061740152014-07-19T15:06:35.688+02:002014-07-19T15:06:35.688+02:00Before I forget, another reason that a lot of wome...Before I forget, another reason that a lot of women before they are desperate will not consider a significantly older man no matter what is because what if things get serious and it DOES last until death? He is going to die long before you and then you'll be a widow for a lot longer than if you chose a man closer to your own age. I actually think that women who are thinking about forever and not just having a good time (ages 24 to 27) are actually MORE LIKELY to reject a much-older man than women who are like 22, because the 22yo knows it probably won't last and isn't worried about stuff like that anyways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-45343445723755180362014-07-19T14:56:15.334+02:002014-07-19T14:56:15.334+02:00Vi Nay, if I am still attractive at 28, you know I...Vi Nay, if I am still attractive at 28, you know I was a hottie at 20. And hotties tend to have hot friends. I partied in a club at 20 with two of my friends and one of the earlier season winners of The Apprentice (he was 40 at the time) and his two friends spent the night buying us drinks. Then we all had to get home and they were visibly deflated. What I am saying is that it was awesome to party with a rich guy who was on TV, but no amount of money could make us want to sleep with a 40-year-old. That was just gross.<br />Now that I'm older, it's less gross, but most of my peers are not quite desperate enough to consider dating one just yet. It's true that the older women get the more desperate they become, and so they are more willing to date men with a much larger age gap. It's also true for women who have messed up and become single moms; they are more willing to date someone 13 years older. But don't be misleading and claim that your average atractive 27yo woman will pursue a relationship with a 40yo man. It's just not true. That doesn't become true until women become truly desperate around 34. Even at 33 I have known girls with above-average looks, and they were pursuing and dating younger guys, because 40yo guys are old.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-91774620127764811672014-07-19T14:06:40.958+02:002014-07-19T14:06:40.958+02:00Oh, and I bet she told you that.... not the sligh...Oh, and I bet she told you that.... not the slightest chance of her fibbing simultaneous to self-raising her own importance that an "ex rock star" pursued her? And on the basis he had lived many years in the rock and roll lifestyle - lack of sleep, drugs, alcohol, etc - yes, he probably did look like an ageing, hagged and wrinkly old man, even beyond his own birth date. <br /><br />To be a 28 year old woman who can feasibly secure a top quality (and I mean top quality) man her own age, she needs to be absolutely top end hotness. Unfortunately, nearly all women this age will be less physically attractive than their former self of 5 or so years ago. A 28 year old high calibre man can easily demand and secure this 21 year old hottie, just like a top quality 40 year old man can do likewise with a 28 year old woman, or younger for that matter. Is a woman really going to turn down a man with abundant high end qualities because he is 12 years older than her? Guys - watch a woman of this type to say "yes" to the question, but watch what she does to ascertain the truth.<br /><br />However, you do kind of hit on a point. As I suspect you are like most women, your ego takes you to desires in being with a lesser looking man. Most men are average looking. So yes, you're naturally going to go for a 28 year old average looking man than a 40 year old average looking man. In fact, if Jude Law, David Beckham and Enrique Iglesias were not famous and just men off the street, I bet you'd even prefer to be with your average guy to feel better about his comparative ugliness.<br /><br />You keep that ego self-massaged, babe! <br /><br />Vi Nayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032920019978546878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-26391172076576874962014-07-19T07:07:53.553+02:002014-07-19T07:07:53.553+02:00Agree with the poster above me, but as an attracti...Agree with the poster above me, but as an attractive 28 year old woman, you should stop selling men pipe dreams. 40 is old. No woman my age wants a 40 year old man, get real lmao. I even have a friend who was pursued by a 40-year-old ex rock star when she was 27 amd turned him down because he couldn't turn her on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1136566595965586346.post-49104507855537283192014-07-08T18:42:32.369+02:002014-07-08T18:42:32.369+02:00This stuck out for me "Unless it is a rare wo...This stuck out for me "Unless it is a rare woman who knows an uncommitted long term life with a high calibre man is an existence worth far more than portraying a diamond, wife status and motherhood, she won’t be sticking around any longer." I've always said if women would simply let go of this obsession with rings and wife status, we'd all be happier. Marriage can come at some point but being with someone in an LTR already says there's love and commitment. The legal contract doesn't make someone love you more. I would suggest making marriage something to do much later in life with someone you've stayed with because you truly want to be around them and enjoy their company. Treat it as a celebration of a life together that was never forced by the law or church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com